Copyright

[Shotaku]

Due to a long lasting debate in MxT's fan art post that practically spammed up 2 pages we might as well move the issue of copyright here.

Basically Complain, Promote, whatever you want to say about copyright goes here

[kylethedarkn]

Basically I don't like the idea. You shouldn't be able to think up an idea and take away from the world as your own, where nobody else can think up the idea and use it without your permission. Two different people on opposites sides of the earth could invent a cure for cancer and the first one to copyright it would be able to stop the other one from using it. Ideas are for everyone don't privatize them.

That's why anything I created and put on the internet can be used by anyone without permission and without consent. They could even claim it as their own.

[Shotaku]

Well, when it comes to an artists point of view you have got to give them the fact that they worked on it for hours on end they should have the right to copyright the works they did.

Also, if you look more closely at the copyright in depth it really depends on the copyright you got, like a GNU and Simple Private License are free but if you want to purchase a stricter license it costs money and you have more restrictions on your art. Most artists choose the simple private license that allows them to hold creativity issues and license for the work they did, all original concepts. And they also reserve the right to let others use it with their consent.

Not all copyrights are strictly focused on ideas. Most are just on the work that the person put into it.

[kylethedarkn]

What I'm saying is that somebody could put in more work than the original artist in doing something and then after its finished they find out of I'm getting sued because somebody else had the same idea. Its stupid.

Its pretty much a monopoly. It like if there was only one place in the entire world where you could get a song and they charge a lot for it. Nobody else can make the same song and get rid of the monopoly, because of copyright.

[Shotaku]

I just found a news issue on dA about serious art theft.

Link = http://news.deviantart.com/article/65118/

Have fun.

[kylethedarkn]

Ok? So?

[Shotaku]

Did you read the comments especially the first few?

Copyright is a gift to artists so that they will have ownership over their work.

[centralservices]

One thing I notice is that occasionally we seem to be confusing copyright with DRM. Some forms of copyright are stupid, I agree, but most artistic ones I find to be reasonable. Kyle, you said "Nobody else can make the same song and get rid of the monopoly, because of copyright," yet I fail to see how exactly this is a negative thing. Of course nobody else can make the same song, that's pretty much the musical equivalent of plagiarism, stealing somebody else's work and claiming it as your own. Making a similar song I would have no problem with, after all, musicians in general are prone to be influenced by their peers. But deliberately copying somebody's hard work and claiming credit for it I do have a problem with.

Saying that you cannot copy somebody's song is not a monopoly. If only one artist was allowed to write and play in a certain style, then it would be a monopoly. But individual works of art in any medium are unique, and I believe that the artist behind them deserves at least the recognition of having created them. If somebody pirated my music, I wouldn't care, I'd probably even encourage it, but I would feel pretty taken advantage of if people started claiming it as their own. Those are my musical ideas, expressing what I feel and think, emulating my own musical style from my own range of influences, and if somebody else attempts to claim them as they're own it's like having my identity stolen. Not only that, but it's like somebody somehow made the value of the songs go down, because they're no longer a vehicle of my creativity but a means to gain notoriety or profit for somebody in the position to take advantage of it.

Again, I agree that often the copyright system can be incredibly dense, and even promote monopolies in cases like patents on formulas or inventions, but in the terms of not being able to use somebody else's work and claim it as your own, I'm going to have to support it.

[Shotaku]

One thing I notice is that occasionally we seem to be confusing copyright with DRM. Some forms of copyright are stupid, I agree, but most artistic ones I find to be reasonable. Kyle, you said "Nobody else can make the same song and get rid of the monopoly, because of copyright," yet I fail to see how exactly this is a negative thing. Of course nobody else can make the same song, that's pretty much the musical equivalent of plagiarism, stealing somebody else's work and claiming it as your own. Making a similar song I would have no problem with, after all, musicians in general are prone to be influenced by their peers. But deliberately copying somebody's hard work and claiming credit for it I do have a problem with.

Saying that you cannot copy somebody's song is not a monopoly. If only one artist was allowed to write and play in a certain style, then it would be a monopoly. But individual works of art in any medium are unique, and I believe that the artist behind them deserves at least the recognition of having created them. If somebody pirated my music, I wouldn't care, I'd probably even encourage it, but I would feel pretty taken advantage of if people started claiming it as their own. Those are my musical ideas, expressing what I feel and think, emulating my own musical style from my own range of influences, and if somebody else attempts to claim them as they're own it's like having my identity stolen. Not only that, but it's like somebody somehow made the value of the songs go down, because they're no longer a vehicle of my creativity but a means to gain notoriety or profit for somebody in the position to take advantage of it.

Again, I agree that often the copyright system can be incredibly dense, and even promote monopolies in cases like patents on formulas or inventions, but in the terms of not being able to use somebody else's work and claim it as your own, I'm going to have to support it.

Bravo CS I couldn't put it better myself.

[kylethedarkn]

True, but the problem with copyright is that the fastest person wins. Every idea ever made would have been made by somebody else if the original person never made it, but the original/first person gets sole ownership...