Speculations on Link After MM

[Kcired]

I talked for a short time in the chatroom about this, I don't think the people in there like me though. I'm hoping someone might find this interesting.


Fado in Ocarina of Time says "That guy isn't here anymore. Anybody who comes into the forest will be lost. Everybody will become a Stalfos. Everybody, Stalfos. So, he's not here anymore. Only his saw is left. Hee hee." amidst the Biggoron's Sword trading sequence.

At the end of Ocarina of Time, Link went through the Lost Woods I believe and came across his adventures in Termina. At the end of Majora's Mask, he returned to the forest, and we don't exactly know what happened to him.

I believe he continued looking in the Forest for his friend, Navi. Even if he didn't get lost, perhaps he spent the rest of his life looking for Navi in that forest, assuming spending too long in the Lost Woods really does make someone a stalfos.

Another theory I thought of, Link might have gotten lost just trying to get back to Hyrule, and sadly only in death did he find his true way back. In death maybe he lived on as a stalfos, and spent his time in death learning how to fight, or even learning fighting techniques passed on from fallen warriors.

ANOTHER theory, and a simpler one, is that he normally returned to Hyrule and either found Navi again or gave up. He could've continued training as a swordsman, and upon death, was given the task of training the future hero of time.



These are just all of my possible speculations of Link IF he was that warrior in TP that trains you in the new sword moves, you can think what you want of them. I would appreciate feedback/other theories on what happened to that link.

[centralservices]

You're being paranoid. We like you fine.

Anyway, I was originally a bit skeptical at the idea of Link just getting lost in the woods, because like I said in chat, he doesn't strike me as the type to do that kind of thing. He usually knows where he's going and what he's doing, and if he were to get lost, it seems like he would extract himself from the situation rather than wander around until he became a Stalfos. But then the idea came up that he was searching for the "friend" mentioned at the beginning of MM, and searched for so long that he became part of the forest. That I actually can see. Perhaps he decided to take the Happy Mask Salesman's advice on partings and make his with that friend a temporary one.

And maybe he just moved out there because he just sort of wanted to retire from this whole hero business that seems thrust upon him wherever he goes. I'd imagine that would be pretty traumatizing for a kid as young as he is, and to do it twice would be even worse. Maybe he did find his friend out there, Navi or otherwise, and chose to live out his life with that friend away from the world that constantly needed his help. Maybe that's when he became a Stalfos.

Anyway, that's just my take on this whole thing.

[Kcired]

I greatly appreciate the feedback CS.


I'm not fully supporting that he did get lost, but I don't rule it out as a possibility. I mean, didn't he stumble in Termina by accident through the Lost Woods, there's no telling how far he deep he could've went in there looking for Navi.

[Rikimaru]

Wow, really creative thinking, Kcired. I would not have ever fathomed a theory like this one on my own. I would definitely believe this, simply because it would be awesome if it were true. The Stalfos tale really backs up the whole MM Link being the Skeleton Swordsman, but the thing that bothers me is the whole White Wolf thing. It seems to be the only unexplained trait of this mysterious warrior.

Wow, really creative thinking, Kcired. I would not have ever fathomed a theory like this one on my own. I would definitely believe this, simply because it would be awesome if it were true. The Stalfos tale really backs up the whole MM Link being the Skeleton Swordsman, but the thing that bothers me is the whole White Wolf thing. It seems to be the only unexplained trait of this mysterious warrior.

The white wolf thing, I believe, is traced to the current Hero of Time. Since the TP Link can change into wolf, I would expect the previous carnations to react similarly. Since the Link from OoT is the ancestor of the TP Link, 100 years ago.

To put it simpler, If one carnation takes effect, the other does as well. But don't take this as serious as you'd might expect. This is one of my theories I have concocted while playing the game.

[Rikimaru]

The white wolf thing, I believe, is traced to the current Hero of Time. Since the TP Link can change into wolf, I would expect the previous carnations to react similarly. Since the Link from OoT is the ancestor of the TP Link, 100 years ago.

To put it simpler, If one carnation takes effect, the other does as well. But don't take this as serious as you'd might expect. This is one of my theories I have concocted while playing the game.

I have a hard time believing your theory simply because the Hero of Time is never shown changing into a white wolf. The TP Link only changed into his Wolf Form because of Ganondorf's dark powers and/or the affects of the Twilight Realm upon light dwellers. If both carnations of Link were similar as you theorize, then the OoT Link should have transformed into his White Wolf Form when encountering OoT Ganondorf's magic, yet he didn't. If it was solely the affects of the Twilight Realm that caused this transformation, then the similarities between OoT Link and TP Link would still be incomplete because the White Wolf is never seen in Twilight.

Also, it seems to me that the place in which you encounter the Ancient Swordsman could possibly be within the Sacred Realm itself, just by the looks of it at least.

[Kcired]

Well if OoT Ganon and TP Ganon are the same person, I think TP Ganon has come up with a few tricks. Remember at the end of OoT they banish Ganon to the 'Evil Realm'....

Quoting Rauru at the end of OoT: "Now, open the sealed door and send the Evil Incarnation of Darkness to the void of the Evil Realm!!"

This also brings up the question, what exactly was the evil realm, was it a void where all evil was sent? Or could it even possibly be referring to the Twilight Realm, considering the Twili who were banished there for the evil they committed. Either way, assuming Ganon had escaped using the last 100 or so years between OoT and TP, he sure became stronger and gained some new tricks from coming back from his banishment.


On the wolf thing, assuming the sacred realm has anything to do with it, in lttp, the sacred realm usually causes a person's appearance to reflect their heart. Link is courages, etc, and a common symbol for that is a wolf. Now, perhaps the symbolism goes one step further, Link looks more like a 'common' wolf, considering Link works as a mere farmer in Ordon, possibly denoting relationship. A white/golden wolf someone might consider more majestic, symbolism the previous hero of time's experience/connection to the sacred land.

[Rikimaru]

I do see some holes in my argument now that I look at it....I don't think the two Ganondorf's would be the same person though, simply because the storytelling of each one goes as if they started out being simple thieves turning into the godlike warlock with a malicious greed for power. Basically, I don't think someone who was banished to the "Evil Realm" would want to just go back to thieving. Plus, based on character interactions, I believe that TP Ganon's banishing to the Twilight Realm was the first time he had ever entered the place. His encounter with Twilight seemed more of a new experience than something he's already gone through. Actually, it seems like the could be the same person if TP was before OoT, simply because his fate is somewhat ambiguous at the end of TP.

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You just see him standing there with the sword in his chest. At this point he says "Do not think this ends here...." which is obviously something to consider about returning. Also, I like to believe that the fact that he remains standing foreshadows his surviving life force. But in terms of cinematic quality, I think he should just remain dead.

About the Wolf thing, you make a good point. I have only played a bit of ALttP, so I don't know much about it.

the sacred realm usually causes a person's appearance to reflect their heart

So, does this mean specifically within the Sacred Realm that this occurs? Because if this is so, then, if the cloudy area in which you learn sword techniques is actually the Sacred Realm, then the Skeleton Swordsman and Link should be in Wolf forms there. Yet they are only in Wolf forms in either the Light Realm or Twilight Realm.

[Kcired]

Yes, the sacred realm should always change a person's appearance to match their heart, at least according to MM. However, Link holds a piece of the triforce, which may prevent him from the forced change in the sacred realm, since it was the realm built to house the triforce. In link to the past I don't think link had a piece of the triforce, assuming that since Ganon had appeared to capture it as a whole, so Link used the Moon Pearl to keep his shape. The undead warrior, in this case we assume is the older hero of time, probably has some sort of immunity from the effects of the golden land.

[Rikimaru]

Plausible yes, but even so why does the Skeleton Warrior happen to be only Wolf in the Light Realm and Skeleton in the Sacred Realm. It seems kinda contradictory to me. Also, you still never see OoT Link turning into a Wolf.